[00:00:00] It's two Nelson's how appealing will this be? Oh man, they're getting a double whammy
[00:00:05] All right guys welcome back into the Modern Christian Men show
[00:00:12] I'm your host Caleb Nelson real excited to be here with you
[00:00:16] This this is a this is a double dose for you guys
[00:00:19] So we're going to be speaking with my cousin Rob Nelson who you may remember from a previous episode when we were audio only and
[00:00:28] Rob is a
[00:00:30] Just a well a depth a depth a well of
[00:00:35] Information and understanding that I don't know where it comes from
[00:00:38] I didn't get that end of it in our family, but Rob man
[00:00:41] We just want to welcome you in and tell you thanks for being here with us
[00:00:46] Thank you. It's good to be back with you on this platform. I'm really glad to be on it
[00:00:52] Absolutely. Well when I was making a list of guys who I knew had been there
[00:00:59] And like Kevin Stout said we don't want to talk about the a word too often or give it too much credit or too much credits in our lives
[00:01:06] But it's a very anxiety depression oppression
[00:01:09] Things like that are real. There's a there's a load of guys that are going through this or having gone
[00:01:14] And I was completely unaware because I had never faced any of that stuff
[00:01:18] But you just said just a moment ago that I mean from where you're at and what you're doing
[00:01:22] And you can tell us a little bit about that if you want to but where you're at
[00:01:26] You're seeing this is like it's like epidemic pandemic
[00:01:29] I mean there are people all over that are suffering maybe like you've never seen them before
[00:01:36] Absolutely and again, it's not anything
[00:01:39] Excuse me new
[00:01:41] It's been around for forever
[00:01:44] but because I believe because of the past three years and
[00:01:51] the unrest on so many different levels that
[00:01:55] It has
[00:01:57] It's just brought it to the surface and it's it's
[00:02:01] fed into a lot of root issues and things that
[00:02:06] a
[00:02:08] Lot of people don't even realize that this is what they're dealing with their things going on
[00:02:15] It's a holistic reality there's physical mental emotional as well as spiritual realities going on here and
[00:02:24] We're having a hard time putting our finger on it. We don't know how to identify it. So
[00:02:31] Again, I don't think it's necessarily anything new, but I think what the past
[00:02:35] The circumstances of the past few years
[00:02:38] Have shaken the foundations of the things that we have confidence in that we put our trust in that
[00:02:45] The routines the things that we've been comfortable in have been shaken to the degree that it's it's really shaking the
[00:02:53] Foundations of our belief system. So that goes on a very deep core level
[00:02:58] And then you've got all kinds of symptoms that flow out of that. So
[00:03:04] I
[00:03:06] think it's a
[00:03:08] It's a spiritual problem with the spiritual solution
[00:03:11] But I would consider spiritual to be holistic and him we live and move and have our very being I think it's
[00:03:18] We in the church if you will believers
[00:03:22] We need to learn more about this so that we can
[00:03:27] Language in a practical way and help people connect with the realities of what they're
[00:03:32] What they're dealing with it's easy to say just trust God just pray more
[00:03:38] but but when your body is doing things and you you don't
[00:03:43] Not under your direction and you fill out a control
[00:03:48] Down to the very core of your activity and your ability to sleep and eat and those kind of things then
[00:03:55] Then it gets serious
[00:03:57] Well, you know I read somewhere and I'm I like numbers but all that I don't remember all of them
[00:04:02] But it was a vast number that I read of pastors dealing with anxiety depression oppression
[00:04:07] And that's probably like a whole week's worth of shows right there
[00:04:11] But surely we you've got men behind the pulpit dealing in facing these things
[00:04:18] They're gonna have a hard time necessarily teaching or talking about it because I mean, let's just be honest
[00:04:23] We we place our pastors in a place where they're kind of stuck to a certain extent
[00:04:29] And if they start talking about their vulnerabilities from the pulpit
[00:04:34] Then they're afraid that that kid, you know cost them their job or cost them their place in standing
[00:04:41] So it's everywhere. It's not just guys at home or guys who work eight to five
[00:04:45] It's not just moms single moms. It's not just grandparents
[00:04:50] It's it's everywhere is pervasive
[00:04:52] Yeah, well, and I think that uh says a couple of things there one
[00:04:58] I think I we're seeing a lot of progress here, but we
[00:05:04] Need to learn how to integrate
[00:05:07] What we know is true spiritually and biblically
[00:05:10] And we know on us on a deep level
[00:05:14] But so many times we have not known how
[00:05:19] Ourselves let alone to lead others
[00:05:22] To how to how to apply those truths
[00:05:25] Again into the the realities of our daily life, you know our our challenges or struggles our financials are
[00:05:33] our
[00:05:34] traumas that come into place
[00:05:37] And again, we have been programmed to just push through
[00:05:42] And I mean think about all the things of the past three years
[00:05:46] so
[00:05:47] when you just when you
[00:05:49] Don't learn how to process in a healthy way have a lifestyle of processing
[00:05:55] The realities of living in a fallen world
[00:06:00] Then eventually all of that
[00:06:03] Information those recordings everything is going to be logged in the brain because this recording everything
[00:06:11] That we're experiencing
[00:06:13] And eventually it can gain power and overtake what our conscious mind is telling us and we know to do
[00:06:19] I mean that's that's a reality of what what I would define it trauma is not just
[00:06:27] You know a major car wreck or some
[00:06:29] Trauma is anything that comes against our beliefs values
[00:06:34] Images this is the way life is supposed to look our expectations that you know, I did this and this is what should come out of that
[00:06:41] I mean when you go through the things we've been going through lately
[00:06:44] They don't match up
[00:06:47] And and and we feel more and more out of control
[00:06:51] and
[00:06:52] And so again our faith I've said this many times for so many years of my life
[00:06:58] My faith was a form of denial of those realities rather than me knowing how to
[00:07:04] Actually apply those truths into those realities and situations
[00:07:09] And that calls you into all the aspects of faith and trust and
[00:07:14] That um, I'm I'm afraid I was my goodness. I was in my 40s and 50s before I even began to
[00:07:21] To discover
[00:07:23] I guess to realize and recognize some of the things that were working against me and I think that's important here
[00:07:31] When you think about anxiety
[00:07:34] Depression fear those are things that keep us
[00:07:40] unsettled
[00:07:42] disturbed
[00:07:45] Restless
[00:07:47] confused
[00:07:49] If you think of what is not anxiety you and you look biblically
[00:07:55] God is a god of peace
[00:07:59] Alignment agreement
[00:08:03] Synchronicity
[00:08:05] And so anxiety is absolutely
[00:08:10] A tool of the enemy or right
[00:08:13] It's it's it's the play
[00:08:16] The strategy to come against that which allows us to live and walk in a healthy way
[00:08:24] with christ at the center
[00:08:26] so yeah
[00:08:28] You know it was like you keep you've gone back to a couple times the last three years
[00:08:32] I remember very explicitly the news, you know coming on and telling us
[00:08:38] One in seven people are going to die, you know this this pandemic is going to kill
[00:08:44] Millions and billions of people and I'm thinking well, I've got seven people in my house
[00:08:48] which one of us, you know
[00:08:50] And of course I didn't receive that but at the same time
[00:08:54] You had this news as constant flow and we were already at a news addicted
[00:08:59] And I don't even like to call it news because it's just garbage and and fear pornography is really what the majority of it is
[00:09:06] But you had all this coming out
[00:09:08] And we were feeding on it 24 7 because we were so
[00:09:12] Just work like you said everything has been shaken everything has been
[00:09:17] Been manipulated against us and and I guess
[00:09:21] Just for me that may have played something in from the background kind of working its way forward
[00:09:26] I even told carlo one time
[00:09:30] You know back during the the covid scare that
[00:09:33] One day I felt like I was sitting at my office back when I was at roots gleaning and I was sitting there
[00:09:39] In the office and I thought to myself I feel like it's chasing me
[00:09:43] You know and that was a spiritual thing to granted there was there was sickness
[00:09:46] I understand that but I could feel that spirit kind of encroaching or trying to
[00:09:51] To get on me or trying to get there that fear that went with it
[00:09:55] And uh, you know, it's it's no place to be
[00:09:58] But but I get what you're saying and it was a trauma
[00:10:01] And you know like you said we think trauma car wrecks are you know falling off a building roof or something
[00:10:07] But there's a whole lot that plays into that
[00:10:11] Yeah, and it's and this has been different. I mean
[00:10:15] Again it really
[00:10:17] On a deep level reveal reveals what our faith and trust really is in
[00:10:23] And and again, I don't want to
[00:10:26] To suggest that
[00:10:29] That our faith is not valid and that it's not real and true and strong these things coexist
[00:10:38] You can be
[00:10:39] Again, I think this what we're learning here in in the body of believers is
[00:10:45] Your faith can be absent and your identity could be found in christ
[00:10:49] But you're still dealing with these holistic realities that that our our body has not been perfected yet
[00:10:55] Our right our world is certainly not been we still live in an
[00:11:00] In a a foreign world
[00:11:02] And we're and so we're dealing with those realities. So some of the things that we
[00:11:07] I mean my at my age, you know, I look back and
[00:11:11] If you
[00:11:12] Manage your money well then and you keep you know, you try to be wise and a good steward of that
[00:11:19] Then everything's going to be okay
[00:11:21] right
[00:11:22] if you
[00:11:23] Take care of your health and you you know, you're wise in your diet and how you you care for yourself
[00:11:30] Then you can expect your health to be good
[00:11:34] They're think it really it's a sense of control
[00:11:38] Right, I do all the things
[00:11:41] Then I can expect this so so when we come into situations and and job security
[00:11:49] again
[00:11:52] Raising your children and taking them to church and and and planning you know
[00:11:59] We expect certain outcomes when we do the right things
[00:12:05] Right, I got you. You think spiritually you really hear in this
[00:12:10] again
[00:12:11] there
[00:12:12] We we we would not say it but we're really doing to get
[00:12:18] I got you and so when we don't get
[00:12:21] It throws our whole system out of whack
[00:12:25] Right because something's not measuring up
[00:12:28] The beauty of that is it drives us to the father
[00:12:33] And and and we begin to ask him to reveal
[00:12:37] What's in our heart?
[00:12:39] because
[00:12:41] In intimacy with him and a and a healthy walk with him
[00:12:46] We will experience the fruit of peace
[00:12:50] And I mean it's the centerpiece
[00:12:53] I mean there's there's scriptures. I just uh, I glanced at a few scriptures as we were
[00:12:59] When you told me we're going to be talking today
[00:13:01] and it's
[00:13:04] Very familiar scriptures that we've heard
[00:13:07] All our lives. I mean the ones that come to our mind when we think about anxiety
[00:13:12] Be anxious for nothing, you know and all things in prayer and supplication
[00:13:17] Oh
[00:13:18] The that scripture and amplifies this be anxious or worried about anything but in everything every circumstance and situation
[00:13:27] I mean there's a lot of language here, but Psalm 139 David got this
[00:13:34] And and and here's a translation. I love god. I invite you searching gaze into my heart
[00:13:41] Examine me through and through find out everything that may be hidden within me
[00:13:47] Put me to the test and sift through all my anxious cares
[00:13:52] See if there's any path of pain
[00:13:54] I'm walking on and lead me back to glorious everlasting way the path that brings me back to you
[00:14:01] It is difficult and as hard as this is
[00:14:04] It can be a gateway to walking intimately with him like never before so
[00:14:11] Well, we got a big gap here that we we're trying to
[00:14:15] To language and learn how to communicate how to encourage one another
[00:14:21] But meet us where we are
[00:14:24] because if my
[00:14:26] heart rate is going sky high
[00:14:29] And and I'm can't even bring up my own name. I mean there are things that are happening in panic attacks and anxiety
[00:14:38] I mean that are really having effect on the way we function
[00:14:43] But they're also affecting our physical health and everything else
[00:14:47] Yeah, and you know one of the things that that we found here in our house
[00:14:51] Uh, and my wife carla, you know, you know carla for years
[00:14:55] Before carla and I got married she dealt with anxiety and right after we were married
[00:14:59] I don't know if that has anything to do with me
[00:15:01] But she dealt with anxiety as well
[00:15:03] And I had never ever hadn't seen it in my family had never experienced it personally
[00:15:09] And and I remember not even knowing how to
[00:15:12] Like talk to her about what she was feeling where she was at and I was like, uh, it's just you know
[00:15:17] Maybe she's the weaker vessel kind, you know all these things that you just don't know so you're you're applying ignorance
[00:15:23] But that what you read from david is fantastic, you know because there's guys at every stage in this
[00:15:30] And I think what I found in my journey here is that
[00:15:35] We have to we don't want to in the process
[00:15:39] Until you're extremely totally desperate and there's nothing left
[00:15:41] But as you're walking into this potentially or you're you're just getting getting into this this uh,
[00:15:48] Understanding or maybe you're you're just realizing what's going on with you
[00:15:52] Um, you don't really want to go to the scripture. You don't really want to
[00:15:56] You don't really want to dig in with jesus at least I knew to do that but I felt
[00:16:02] my feelings
[00:16:04] Got in the way of that and I was like I feel this I feel that my body's doing this my body's doing that and
[00:16:13] When you kind of you're kind of just stuck on those thoughts in your head
[00:16:18] Man all the fiery darts are getting in then and you don't want to go to the father
[00:16:23] And you're you're saying that's where we and we know this but that's where we have to start
[00:16:27] No matter where we're at in the process. We have to go back to the father
[00:16:31] Right, and I think uh, that is kind of the course of my ministry is
[00:16:38] Is to
[00:16:40] Not be
[00:16:41] Even distracted if you will and focused on symptoms
[00:16:45] What if we go to the root so of course ultimately that's going to be the spiritual foundation there
[00:16:52] But what that does again is not denial
[00:16:55] Of those realities
[00:16:57] If we have that proper order
[00:17:01] Then I believe that brings us into an intimacy with him and a lifestyle with him
[00:17:06] To the degree that we are receptive
[00:17:09] To the leadership of the spirit
[00:17:11] To as david is saying in the scripture search me and know me there are things going on in me that I don't I don't understand
[00:17:19] And and I and plus on top of that. I want to fix it
[00:17:23] Yeah
[00:17:24] But I understand there may be possibly it may be possible that you have a purpose in allowing this
[00:17:30] And there's something much greater you want to give me than just to fix this symptom
[00:17:34] Right
[00:17:35] It is to draw us into him, but he will bring us into a place that to be receptive, you know this
[00:17:42] I've used this word holistic and and it's been
[00:17:47] Misrepresented and and kind of given a bad rap
[00:17:50] But but we are holistic creations
[00:17:54] Right and the spiritual we have everything for life and god only sin christ there
[00:17:59] It's he still he is the center
[00:18:02] And so that can even be practically in terms of helping us understand
[00:18:08] Our physical needs
[00:18:10] Our mental and emotional, you know what what's what kind of what thought processes?
[00:18:16] What files are we pulling out of that have been programmed from early in our lives?
[00:18:22] That are still have power and effect. It's
[00:18:25] Hebrews 4 the word
[00:18:28] Sharper than a two-edged sword dividing body soul
[00:18:33] Spirit soul and bone and mera. It's it's the application of those truths. So now because it is true
[00:18:43] Some anxiety different levels of depression different things
[00:18:48] There's chemical imbalances going on there
[00:18:52] Just like in the physical body things can get I mean we're we're born into
[00:18:57] In a fallen condition before christ
[00:19:00] And when christ comes in and makes us whole and new
[00:19:05] A new creation in him
[00:19:07] The mind still has to be renewed the body still has to be brought under the power and authority of that word
[00:19:15] But he's still the one who produces it right? We're simply coming into agreement with that
[00:19:21] So again anxiety and depression those kind of things they shake those things that we have relied on
[00:19:28] The scripture says he everything's being shaken that can be shaken until there's nothing else that can be shaken
[00:19:35] So the all the more importance is to go to him and that foundation
[00:19:40] But then to be open and receptive
[00:19:43] To to what he reveals
[00:19:46] And the and the resources we don't know how he even wants to meet us in that need
[00:19:53] You know when you all went through some of your situations
[00:19:55] You had to be led step by step and let him use whoever whatever he wanted to use
[00:20:02] To bring about the confession of your faith
[00:20:06] And him as the source
[00:20:08] In the solution right yeah, absolutely. That's a lot there but
[00:20:13] Well, it's the truth and we try to camouflage this stuff or we try to wallpaper over the cracks in the wall or
[00:20:22] You know
[00:20:23] Men thinking we have to have it all figured out like you said earlier
[00:20:26] We have to fix it and that was where I was at man. I was like, I haven't got to fix this
[00:20:31] I have got to fix it. We had eight or ten things happening at one time and I'm thinking I could fix all of them
[00:20:36] I can't even hardly get out of bed in the morning
[00:20:39] and
[00:20:40] There's no fixing when you can't even like stand on your own which
[00:20:44] Why are we trying to do things in our own power anyway?
[00:20:47] Yeah, it'll definitely drive you to trying to control and manipulate because we want to I mean right now
[00:20:53] We want to we want a solution. We want to understand what the problem is
[00:20:57] So we can make application and fix it
[00:21:00] Right that comes straight out of being born in adam
[00:21:04] And we have died that old man is died and we are now
[00:21:10] In union with the spirit of god to lead and direct that
[00:21:14] And to follow
[00:21:16] In agreement with that truth, right? And so
[00:21:21] Yeah, it's um
[00:21:26] It's
[00:21:29] So you've you've been around a while rob and you're a little bit older than me
[00:21:33] But you guys you and rose
[00:21:36] Y'all I've seen stuff. I hope no one here ever has to walk through
[00:21:40] And just challenge
[00:21:43] And I know that you've been through some of these things
[00:21:46] Could you just could you give us just one?
[00:21:49] positive or one thing
[00:21:52] That's worked when you are faced with these types of situations
[00:21:56] Can you give us just one thing for guys who are listening who might be
[00:22:00] Going there in there trying to figure out trying to fix
[00:22:04] Just one solid thing for for guys to kind of get a hold of and utilize
[00:22:10] You're not going to like my answer
[00:22:13] There's me let me go back to you and again
[00:22:15] It's so difficult to language this because I say things I've said my whole life and they mean something totally different now
[00:22:22] So I hope based on what I've I've shared just in the last few minutes
[00:22:27] That you don't hear me
[00:22:30] minimize or
[00:22:32] Or
[00:22:35] It comes back to surrender and letting go
[00:22:37] Of that control there is no other place. I mean when
[00:22:43] Circumstances and situations are out of control
[00:22:48] And we think this is passive and this is just giving up
[00:22:52] But but hear me out here
[00:22:55] for me
[00:22:56] Coming to these deep dark places
[00:23:00] Based on circumstances and situations as well as my own mind trying to
[00:23:06] To master and stay in control
[00:23:10] Of everything
[00:23:11] to manage to try to
[00:23:14] Maintain some level of peace
[00:23:17] That only he can provide
[00:23:20] He had to let that be completely extinguished
[00:23:24] To the degree that I began to dare by faith is and he even has had to supply the faith to say i'm
[00:23:32] I hear over and over will you trust me will you trust me?
[00:23:38] And so as we've gone through
[00:23:41] deaths and
[00:23:43] Terrible accidents and all these disappointments and losses
[00:23:49] It's it's coming back
[00:23:52] And and i'll say again. I can take absolutely no credit
[00:23:57] personally
[00:23:58] For any victory that we've experienced he has supplied it. He is he has so immersed us in the revelation of his love and grace
[00:24:10] And and as we just simply have fallen it on our face before him
[00:24:15] And began to see just how good and faithful he is to watch him
[00:24:22] Do incredible things
[00:24:25] Time after time in the darkest of situations
[00:24:30] Finally
[00:24:31] We say okay. I don't get this
[00:24:34] Well, we our son died three and a half years ago when I got the word that day
[00:24:41] There was a little less panic that happened immediately
[00:24:45] Not that it wasn't there my body and everything's doing but but there was this sense by that point to say
[00:24:53] Okay, this doesn't change who you are
[00:24:56] It doesn't change who you have shown me. I am in you
[00:25:01] My union with you
[00:25:04] And I know you're asking me to trust you with this and I know you're not going to give me the whole picture
[00:25:10] You just are gonna you just asking me to trust you. So will you show me where to put the next foot?
[00:25:16] It's been the development of a lifestyle like that
[00:25:20] Um because more traumas have followed
[00:25:24] But but I really think this is this is the drawing us into
[00:25:30] What it means to walk in the spirit
[00:25:34] And abide there there is rest
[00:25:38] It is a place of peace
[00:25:40] Uh
[00:25:41] In returning and rest is our salvation and quietness and confidence
[00:25:47] Is our strength
[00:25:49] So so I still deal with some panic attack related things in the past few years
[00:25:56] I some of that's crept back up because it's been in my background. See again, remember there are remnants in the brain
[00:26:03] even of things we
[00:26:06] We might have moved past if you will
[00:26:09] And I found in trauma there god is such a god of
[00:26:13] Of he's so faithful and he wants to bring wholeness
[00:26:17] That way he will allow remnants
[00:26:20] Residue that may still be there to come up from time to time so that he can do a deeper work in that
[00:26:26] Wow
[00:26:27] Wow, so so
[00:26:29] Anxiety can can just be an indicator
[00:26:34] Of something uh, it is an indicator that that something's not
[00:26:41] Well in sync
[00:26:43] But don't go try to fix it take it to the father like david did and ask him to identify it
[00:26:50] And then to give direction. So so when I say let him go and following
[00:26:56] It's very important that we know and have confidence in whom we're following
[00:27:01] Right that's coming to just trust in the absolute goodness and faithfulness of god
[00:27:08] If if it's not good, he's not done
[00:27:11] And he is a god of redemption and whether I see it on this side or the other side
[00:27:18] He's he has to fulfill it. He's already committed it to us
[00:27:23] So I'm having to walk in that truth by faith
[00:27:27] When it doesn't match up to my circumstance and situations. I mean, that's the journey
[00:27:31] So you see this element of anxiety and depression and fear
[00:27:36] Is the enemy's playground
[00:27:39] Because and even technology and things is to keep our attention to keep us distracted
[00:27:47] So again when I say keep your eyes fixed on jesus, that's not if you just keep your eyes on him
[00:27:52] Maybe this will go away
[00:27:55] But it's fixed on him to the degree
[00:27:58] In in the context of in the reality of all these things i'm experiencing
[00:28:05] This is who you are you're my anchor
[00:28:08] That holds fast and I will hold fast to you
[00:28:12] So again not to over spiritualize that but that's the foundation
[00:28:18] Then from that place
[00:28:21] My ears become attentive
[00:28:23] And my eyes become attentive my senses
[00:28:26] to
[00:28:28] Him shepherding my path to this this in this journey of healing and wholeness, which is he's he's in it
[00:28:37] He was in it begin before we even knew we had a problem and he's going to be in it long afterwards
[00:28:44] He
[00:28:46] He is not abandoning us
[00:28:48] But it sure feel like you said we don't even want to the time that we need him most
[00:28:54] Even the chemicals in our body are saying no, I don't want to be with anybody
[00:28:59] Right, then we isolate and then we just make ourselves more prey for the enemy
[00:29:03] Wow, that's some good stuff, Rob
[00:29:05] That's a revelation that
[00:29:07] That was not easily found with you and rose. I mean that y'all earned that one
[00:29:12] And I don't mean to say it that way, but I mean it didn't just show up one day
[00:29:16] I like oh, well, we got this great revelation from the lord here. We are look how smart we are how we can help folks
[00:29:21] Where they're at? I mean, I mean paul said it's not that I've attained anything and I tell
[00:29:28] I work with ministry leaders and I tell them every day
[00:29:32] And I really think
[00:29:34] I really see purpose in this god has not all of a sudden delivered us from all trial and tribulation
[00:29:42] And we as you know in this season of ministry is when we've experienced the loss of a child
[00:29:47] We've been through a number of different things and I really believe
[00:29:53] I don't believe the god has inflicted that I believe that's from the enemy
[00:29:56] But I know god's had a plan in it all alone and what he's done is he's kept us authentic
[00:30:03] So when I sit down with somebody I'm sharing with you today not because this is what I did if you do this
[00:30:08] Then you'll be okay like me
[00:30:11] No way in heaven or hell
[00:30:13] Right because I'm challenged every day to get up and I have waves of depression and anxiety that want to come over me
[00:30:21] My mentor of 30 years says reposter and breathe
[00:30:28] Reset
[00:30:30] And when I sit in this spiritual healthy place
[00:30:35] Then I can take the steps
[00:30:37] Moment by moment day by day
[00:30:40] In terms of who I need to see
[00:30:42] What I need to eat today if I need to get exercise to burn some of that
[00:30:48] Excess energy and nervousness, you know, whatever it is
[00:30:52] I'm operating from a foundation of who he is
[00:30:57] And the fruit of the spirit abides there
[00:31:00] And I begin to experience that and it changes me and it changes my course
[00:31:06] And it changes every encounter I have with another person
[00:31:09] Yeah, and so
[00:31:12] If guys are listening they're not there. They don't they're like these guys are nuts. These are losers
[00:31:16] They're just weak. That's a false humility. It's coming bro. Get ready and I'm not speaking that on some
[00:31:23] I don't I don't want to clear that over somebody
[00:31:25] But you know, you don't see these things like you said we're we're taught to go to school
[00:31:29] Get a diploma buy house raise kids save money eat well
[00:31:34] And everything's going to end up okay
[00:31:36] And then you see that every day not being the case
[00:31:40] So when the bible tells us to put on
[00:31:44] Our full armor of god, I mean he's not kidding because
[00:31:48] The battle is coming the war is coming to us
[00:31:51] And we have to be in an offensive posture so that we're not constantly fighting from the defensive end of things
[00:31:57] And that goes back well, we could have a show on this one that goes back to abiding with the father
[00:32:02] Any can you can you speak for just a few minutes on the abiding of with the father?
[00:32:08] Yeah, and I definitely want to
[00:32:10] I
[00:32:13] The the things I'm talking about sound passive
[00:32:19] And they and just to say just trust god just like
[00:32:23] I mean, especially as men we're not we're not wired that way. We're wired
[00:32:30] To to fight to stand to
[00:32:33] uh to lead
[00:32:35] Uh, not not that women aren't don't have those same callings but
[00:32:40] this
[00:32:42] Again, this aligns us in such a way that we
[00:32:47] Know the voice of god and we're walking in that that that's what this abiding is
[00:32:54] Is I'm no longer living for him. I'm living from him
[00:32:59] And with him as that source
[00:33:02] And and when when I know his voice I have relationship with him
[00:33:08] Then
[00:33:10] The passion only increases
[00:33:14] I mean now what I find out and I kind of get to be a part of this
[00:33:19] In leaders lives
[00:33:21] I'm pulling back the reins because once you start touching this kind of life
[00:33:26] You want to go get them
[00:33:29] So now
[00:33:30] Now the lord said to hold on son. We're not we're not ready for that yet, you know, right stay right here with me
[00:33:36] Mm-hmm, but now you're with me
[00:33:39] Right your your heart is in it. Your passion is in it. You don't care about these other things anymore
[00:33:46] Because you know i'm good and you know my way is going to lead you to the everlasting way
[00:33:53] And you're you you hear the oneness
[00:33:57] That breaks down this sense of separation and out of control and what and we so that trust is very powerful
[00:34:06] And active he is in us to will and his do and do his good print pleasure
[00:34:13] so
[00:34:14] So if he's if it's the second chronicles 20 and he's saying wait a minute position yourself and stand
[00:34:20] See the salvation lord. I'll fight this fight
[00:34:23] Then we say okay dad i'm i don't want to do that
[00:34:27] But that's what you said do and then the other time he says take that mountain
[00:34:32] right
[00:34:33] you know so
[00:34:36] That's what he's that's what he's after he wants that kind of intimacy
[00:34:41] And that's not weak
[00:34:43] right jesus was
[00:34:45] meek
[00:34:46] I've heard that was power under under control
[00:34:50] You know, I don't know if that's accurate
[00:34:52] Right, but we walk in the power of the living god
[00:34:56] Yeah, but it is his
[00:34:59] And I get to be a vessel I get the privilege of of being a benefactor of that
[00:35:06] An inheritance
[00:35:09] Is mine
[00:35:11] It does change things
[00:35:14] Because even that in a moment of anxiety or a panic attack
[00:35:19] Will help you stop
[00:35:21] Whether it's breathing exercises a lot of grounding things and there's so many things again holistically
[00:35:28] Resources and tools that can help us walk through this right, but I can authentically
[00:35:34] Bring my will into that into the activity. I'm not resisting that which he may want to use
[00:35:43] To bring me to that place of peace and to reveal himself more and more to me so that that confidence only grows
[00:35:52] No matter the circumstance or situation that is grace
[00:35:56] That is the favor and the power and the life of and the perfect love of
[00:36:03] The father received by his creation as he purposed in christ
[00:36:11] And that's where we have to walk from live from breathe from exist from
[00:36:16] Is right there
[00:36:18] Like you say we're men. We're supposed to go out kill it drag it home so she can cook it for supper
[00:36:23] And that's great. That's a that's a picture of the father, but it's not the only picture of the father
[00:36:30] And he wants us like you said to abide in him
[00:36:33] Trust not with this false humility that oh, well, you know, I'm doing okay with jesus. This is good
[00:36:38] And you know, he's empowered me to go out and you know stomp on everything. Yes indeed
[00:36:43] But at the same time we have to have that
[00:36:46] You use the word grounding and I know what that was in regards to but literally we have to be grounded in christ
[00:36:52] Right as we're going to move forward in this man
[00:36:55] Well, and this for another time this one of the key pieces to this walk
[00:37:02] Is uh
[00:37:04] Again, we've got this expectation on us, especially as men to be strong and to push through and
[00:37:11] But to be honest with our own challenges our own brokenness our own struggles
[00:37:17] And to and to learn how to grieve that
[00:37:21] Right, David is the perfect example of that through scripture
[00:37:25] And there are certainly
[00:37:27] many others
[00:37:28] But grieving and lamenting we live in a fallen world
[00:37:32] We daily experience some level of loss and disappointment and pain
[00:37:38] And that's where we get in trouble because we're notorious for stuffing all that back in the brain and thinking we're okay
[00:37:46] And we push through and and that's where addictions and all these different
[00:37:53] symptomatic things that follow are a result of what's what's not been
[00:37:59] A lifestyle of healthy processing with the father and with the holy spirit
[00:38:06] So it's all very practical. It meets us physically mentally emotionally as well as spiritually
[00:38:12] But we have to know who the source of that is
[00:38:15] It's not a secular resource. It does not recognize or acknowledge
[00:38:20] The very core of our created being
[00:38:23] Right, right
[00:38:25] Can can we now?
[00:38:27] Uh, maybe not put the date on the calendar. Can we have you come back and delve into that with us?
[00:38:32] If you dare I will be glad to
[00:38:37] Let me be still so you can see the resemblance
[00:38:39] When I look at rob it's so funny
[00:38:42] He looks more like my grandfather than he looks like his dad to me. So
[00:38:47] Rob's dad and my dad are first cousins
[00:38:50] their granddaddies were brothers and
[00:38:53] Man, I just appreciate you being here Rob. It always so deep and it sometimes it's scary
[00:38:58] It's so deep, but we appreciate you being with us
[00:39:01] Well, I'm not a I'm a shallow person, but I've dared to trust in the deep
[00:39:05] So, um, I hope God can use it for something
[00:39:09] But I don't see anything. I'm not having to walk out and live out even today. So, uh, I appreciate you letting me share
[00:39:16] Absolutely
[00:39:17] Well, like he said, he is walking it out. He has walked it out. We are
[00:39:22] Participants we've watched we've been there with them and uh, it's a he's it's the real deal
[00:39:27] He's the real deal and the truth of the matter is it all goes back to Jesus. That's the reason we're here
[00:39:33] That's the reason we're doing this and it's not just
[00:39:36] It's Sunday night
[00:39:38] The song is playing just as I am. I got to get saved again this week
[00:39:42] We're talking to you about where you are and what you're facing and
[00:39:47] Potentially going through fighting through whatever you want to describe it as but we're we're here for you and again
[00:39:53] I can't close the show without reminding you
[00:39:55] to find a brother to find someone that you can be truthful with share where you're at with
[00:40:01] and
[00:40:02] Begin to abide in and through christ and get out of the spot here and jesus didn't make you for this
[00:40:08] But he can use this to grow you like rob said all right. Thank you so much for listening to the modern christian men show
[00:40:14] We'll be back next time to carry the conversation on god bless